LaRouchePAC Policy Committee Show

January 2, 2017

LaRouchePAC Policy Committee - January 2, 2017

Tune in live at 1:30 pm for our weekly Policy Committee Show, with your host, Matthew Ogden.


MATTHEW OGDEN: Good afternoon, it's January 2, 2017.  My name is Matthew Ogden, you're watching our first LaRouche PAC Policy Committee broadcast for the new year, and I'm very happy to welcome you to our discussion here today.  I'm joined in the studio today, as you can see, by two members of our Policy Committee, as well as a member of our Science Team:  We have Diane Sare joining us from New York City; we have Megan Beets joining us from the LaRouche PAC Basement Team; and we have Bill Roberts joining us from Detroit, Michigan.  And then via video we have the four other members of our Policy Committee: We have Dave Christie, from Seattle, Washington; Kesha Rogers, from Houston, Texas; Michael Steger from San Francisco, California; and Rachel Brinkley from Boston, Massachusetts.

I would like to begin our broadcast here today, with a couple of excerpts from a statement that Helga Zepp-LaRouche just published yesterday, a statement heralding in the New Year.  The statement is titled "Good Grounds for Optimism: A New Paradigm in 2017!"  So, one very short excerpt from the introduction of this statement, Helga Zepp-LaRouche says:  "During 2017 it will become obvious that the strategic reorientation of the greater part of our planet will be determined by the dynamic of the New Silk Road. And thereby, the focus will be on a new world economic order for the common weal and the conquest of underdevelopment, and not the speculators' profit maximization." And she said, "the consolidation of the New Silk Road initiative" that's coming out of China, will be the "new economic model of win-win cooperation" and that this is something the United States must join.  She discusses the fact that the positive aspect of the rapprochement between President-elect Trump and President Putin of Russia has given us the ability to establish relations between these two nations on the basis of productive cooperation.

And Helga went on to elaborate a few of these points in a discussion that we had with her yesterday and she said that this can be the year of the consolidation of the New Silk Road paradigm and we must go into 2017 with the perspective of implementing Lyndon LaRouche's full Hamiltonian program, here in the United States.

So it's a moment of great potential in history. This is the year that can turn the tide for civilization and if we continue to provide the leadership to marshal the consolidation of forces around this new era of mankind, this "win-win cooperation" among the nations of the planet can be consolidated. And she pointed out that the overwhelming response to a video — and I'm sure we'll discuss this, of the Schilller Institute chorus in front of the Russian consulate in New York City in a "living memorial" of those members of the Russian Red Army choir that died in the plane crash in the Black Sea en route to Syria, that the overwhelming response to this video demonstrates that we can capture the imagination of many, many people, and this kind of hopefulness provides great grounds for optimism in 2017.

So I think we can go from that perspective.

DIANE SARE:  Great.  What I'd like to start with is what happened.  First, the tragedy which is this plane crash on Christmas Day — at least it was our Christmas Day; the Russian Orthodox Christmas comes up this weekend — but it was a plane with people en route to Syria; it included the famous Alexandrov or Red Army Chorus Ensemble, and also a very, very important and beloved medical doctor who does relief work, Dr. Elizaveta Glinka, she was known as the "Mother Teresa of Russia."  This chorus, I want to say because I had made the analogy, that it would be as if to have the New York Philharmonic lost in a single plane crash, but actually, it's not the same. Because if you follow some of the remarks, like this famous Russian bass [Leonid Mikhailovich Kharitonov] who spoke afterwards, and he was remembering one by one the soloists who were in the chorus, what the Alexandrov Ensemble represented was really a point of inspiration for the entire Russian population and for the world population.  It was a place where almost every great Russian singer somehow was educated, that they came through it.

There were greetings that I saw in the news from the New York City Police Department ceremonial division, because in 2011, there was a memorial concert on the 10th anniversary of 9/11 actually, in Montreal, and the New York Police Department band was playing together with the Alexandrov Ensemble, and they had a young boy who came to the New York City police officers and presented them with a white rose.

Anyway, so this was just an extraordinary gift to mankind over many, many years.  The founder of the chorus was also the composer of the then-Soviet National Anthem, which was first performed in 1944; now it's the Russian National Anthem.  And what Mrs. LaRouche proposed in her message of condolence is that, and it is the case that the Minister of Defense Sergei Shoygu already has organized auditions to rebuild this chorus. She proposed that there not be just one chorus, but maybe a thousand Alexandrov Choruses; that every school should commit itself to singing, to learning to uphold this standard and this legacy.

And she said in conclusion that we are, as you reported, that she's optimistic that we're on the brink of a new paradigm for mankind, and such collaboration in the cultural realm is part of the collaboration in physical domain, you know, the Belt and Road Initiative, which now has over 70 nations involved, and literally millions of people being lifted out of poverty as we speak.  And I think this is very, very hard for Americans to even imagine, because if you look at the directionality of the United States over these last — well, take the last 16 years, from 9/11, the Bush administration and the Obama administration, we've had an increase in suicides, an increase in the death rate in the first time, a massive number of people unemployed, homeless.  In New York City, now, the estimated number of homeless people is 73,500, which I think is the size of the city of Kalamazoo.  I mean, it's just absolutely hideous.

But what Americans should know is there's no reason to continue in this direction.  And I would like to issue a special encouragement to President Obama today to do his farewell address a week early:  He's planning to make his farewell address on Jan. 10th, but if he could just move it up to tomorrow, that would be excellent.  And I think it's going to be a very short speech, because he said he's going to "reflect on the progress of these eight years," [laughter] in that case it'll be next to nothing.

But really, this guy is murderously evil and he remains so, till his last moment in office.  So the more that we can accelerate his departure, whether it's an arrest, an psychiatric evaluation that he should be thrown out or something like that, would be useful for the sake of mankind, and then the United States can move on to become part of this new paradigm that's emerging.

OGDEN:  Well, the timing of this impromptu concert in front of the Russian consulate couldn't have been better, because it was planned as a memorial to the Alexandrov Choir, but it also happened to come at the exact same time as this diplomatic expulsion of 35 so-called "Russian spies" by Obama from the United States had taken place, but then, what did Putin do in response?  Absolutely nothing.  Because he clearly recognized that Obama is a lame duck, and that things are about to change very dramatically, in terms of the relationship between the United States and Russia.  And so the video of this Schiller Institute choir singing this memorial now has, I think, half a million views on YouTube; it just took off in a huge way.  And thousands of comments just saying "thank you so much for this gesture, this means so much to us." And of course,  this small choir that sang was representative of the Schiller Institute choir that had just performed the "Unity Concert" of Handel's Messiah in Brooklyn at the cathedral, and had been involved the September 11th Living Memorial concerts to the victims of the September 115th attacks, on the 15th anniversary of that.  And is planning some more such events in the coming weeks.

But that's just the power of music, to say something which goes far, far, far beyond words and can encapsulate the kind of aspirations and hopes for the New Year and for the new era that I think, not just Americans, but obviously Russians and people all around the world are hoping for.  Hope is not enough, it has to have substance, the substance has to be the full Hamiltonian program that LaRouche has put forward — we've talked about this a lot, but we have now less than three weeks until the inauguration of the new administration, and the very first thing that should be on that President's desk for signature should be the Glass-Steagall Bill which could be debated on, voted and passed in both Houses of Congress.  We know Congress is coming back tomorrow:  We've got to major mobilization under way to make this happen, and that's just legislation No. 2 for a Franklin Roosevelt-style, if we have our way, first hundred days of the new Presidency which would be the kind of Four Laws Hamiltonian program which has to be the substance of what American enacts in order to become a country that could actually reciprocate and work with China on the economic development programs, what Russia has done strategically in the Middle East, a new Marshall Plan for that area, and frankly a completely new paradigm for the planet.

SARE:  One thing I'd just like to add, because this did take off all over the Russian press, but I learned yesterday from our correspondent Hussein Askary, that it's been translated into Arabic and is circulating in the Arabic press. And it sort of brings home that there are many, many people in the world who would be much happier for the United States and Russia not to be on the brink of thermonuclear war.  You know, the smaller nations caught in between, they feel like they're going to be cannon fodder one way or the other, and therefore there would be great relief about the kind of partnership that the United States and Russia could initiate.

Bill ROBERTS:  Yeah,  I think 2017 can be a major, major year as Helga was saying, for the United States to join the New Silk Road and to join the new paradigm.  And I can't really think of a better way to see that process get kicked off than along with the ceasefire process in Syria that's now holding, which is allowing the Syrian army to focus on exterminating the last remaining remnants of ISIS, that if we also concretize that policy, which Trump has indicated his willingness to work with Russia on, with the Glass-Steagall Act, with the reinstatement of the Glass-Steagall Act, as you were saying Diane, this will end an 18-year period since roughly the time of the impeachment process of Clinton where this nation has nearly lost its soul with the takedown of Glass-Steagall and then this awful regime-change policy.

If we start out of the New Year by reinstating Glass-Steagall and doing away with this rotten regime-change policy that's been in service to the British Empire, this can be a basis of extreme optimism for the American population.  How many Congressmen buck the Obama line in saying the Syria civil war was not Assad's fault?  A small handful.  But yet, look at the reality today of where we're at.  It tells you that there should be no pragmatism, no practicality in any American's idea of what we can do very, very quickly.

DAVE CHRISTIE:  Just to follow up on that, there has been an understanding at least coming out of layers within the new Trump administration, Gen. Michael Flynn (ret.) who is tapped to be National Security Advisor, has made the comment that the way you have to deal with this situation is not simply by just killing terrorists.  Obviously Obama has been supporting them, and therefore, there's a reason why they are still around; however, the point that General Flynn has made is that you have to have an economic development component.  Now, he's referred to it as a Marshall Plan, but if you look at Syria geographically, and it is just central as a hub to Europe, to Africa, to Asia, and we also know, according to the Global Times, which recently published China's vision of 2017, that they're putting a very high premium on the New Silk Road and the BRICS conference; there are two conferences, one on the New Silk Road and one on the BRICS.  And that gives an indication of what the potential is, because clearly Obama and the British, or I should say the British, have had a long game or the Great Game as it's caused of course chaos and instability from Central Asia all the way through the Middle East.  And that of course today, a lot of the analysis that people give of the New Silk Road, they'll say, "Yeah, but China's crazy.  Why the hell would you ever want to build a bunch of railroads through a war zone?" And of course, that's why they want to build the New Silk Road through it, and really that is why the British have fomented such chaos and destruction in this region is to prevent that from coming through.

But clearly the potential for that to be, I think as Americans, who have allowed the Bush administration and the Obama administration to just wreak havoc in that region, that they should take a special sense of urgency in terms of joining the New Silk Road, not just for the economic benefit and everything else that that's going to entail, but as a way  to amend for what the Bush administration and Obama and company have done under the British guidance.

I think that potential exists, and I do think, as Mr. LaRouche has made very clear,  it is Russia and China that are meeting this global process, and there is a way that that gravitational pull can bring us into, but I think we have to have a sense of what the principles are that will united these nations; and I think that's uniquely what we have provided, especially the outlook culturally and so forth.

But I think we have a grand opportunity and we have to seize upon it.

Rachel BRINKLEY:  We also have that happening around Iran, another country which is being pulled into this dynamic.  What they're doing in Aleppo, they've been a significant part, working with Turkey and Russia to consolidate the Syria ceasefire, and also the President of the Iranian Chamber of Commerce just became the vice chair of the New Silk Road Chamber of Commerce, and said the New Silk Road is crucial to the development of the Iranian economy.

So a lot of these places, Iran, North Korea, which we've pointed to as having a certain character, very much arching in their character already and can much more so as this new dynamic moves forward.

Michael STEGER:  One of the things that stands out the most with the end of the Obama-Bush era, you get a sense of where the real tyranny existed.  There was a real psychological terror that existed for the population, especially after 9/11, the population was induced into a kind of anxiety and panic and a kind of self-destruction that people didn't know how to break free from. And you now see this, the lid has been lifted, the roof has been lifted off of this kind of tyranny, this kind of psychological terror, and start to realize there's something different.  And the real question at hand, and it reminds of what John Kennedy captured in his speech, but it is a question of the American people's chance.

And it's not just the United States, but it's important to take it from the United States at this point, is that there's a chance for us to now build our own nation, to build our own culture.  Something's not imposed on you by Wall Street, by this "security state," by this kind of perpetual war program.  But there's an actual opportunity to now build a nation and build a culture; there's a tension there, because that has to be built, we have to build it.  It's not going to be done by someone else, but it's not simply "survival":  it's to build something of the greatest quality.

And this is what I think is so remarkable about the resonance of the music and Russia, and the Russian response to our intervention and Putin's leadership.  Because you see this quality in Putin: he wants to bring the greatest of Russian civilization to the fore. And it starts to give your mind a different sense of sovereignty, because Lyn had said this a while back, but he challenged this old, archaic notion of sovereignty, of defending a nation against an adversary; where now the question of sovereignty becomes bringing the best of your culture, the best of your nation, to the benefits of civilization as a whole, to mankind.

And that really is the question at hand for mankind as a whole, that's the kind of era that we're embarking upon, if we take up the responsibility to build a nation worthy of that.  And I think we know the United States has that tradition, but that really seems to be the challenge that we face today, and the opportunity.  And it's very striking, it's very optimistic, but there is a sense of tension, because we have to create that, and I think the Manhattan Project and the concerts only indicate the potential that we have.

KESHA ROGERS:  Yeah, I think that the point just made on promoting this vision of promoting the idea of putting forth the best identity of the nation, of the culture, the most profound, creative aspect of the culture is what directly developed in the space program.  And this what President John F. Kennedy, what he actually envisioned and what was developed under Kennedy's Apollo mission as a real driver for the nation and an inspiration, had a global, international impact.  And I'm just thinking about that what just took place with China's release, continuing to keep as we continue this thing that we've developed so far of the international cooperation, the U.S. joining with the "win-win" offer of cooperation that was put on the table by the President of China, Xi Jinping, going back to 2014, and the development of the BRICS nations which is fully under way with the development of the BRICS nations in 2013.

But just the emphasis on the commitment to space, I was just thinking about again, the individual astronauts, cosmonauts and others from the International Space Station, the sentiment of congratulations or greetings for the New Year.  And again, you look at the integrated [audio loss, 23:53]

OGDEN:  Kesha your message sounds like it's coming from the International Space Station.  We're getting a garbled audio.  You may need to log of and come back onto the call.

Megan BEETS:  On the meantime, maybe I can pick up on her theme.  It's very much along the lines of what I've been thinking as the discussions progress on the issue of the importance of the space program.  Because for Americans in particular, because of what was accomplished throughout the 1960s and early '70s, it does, I think, tap into that same poetic sense of the American soul as we see in a slightly different way in the response to our musical work.  And if you go back and think about what was accomplished in the 1960s in the space program, and also in the fusion program, which most Americans don't realize the United States did have a very robust crash program on fusion throughout the 1960s and '70s which was concurrent with the space program; and it had the exact same goal, which was to liberate mankind from the old, archaic condition of poverty, war, scant resources and to open up a new, limitless era for mankind.  This was something which was brutally shut down, along with the space program.

But now with the leadership that has been taken by China in particular, both in the space program and also in the work for fusion, the United States does have the opportunity now to  — and I think this absolutely has to be a priority of the new administration to commit the United States to a crash program, to regain our capability to get to the Moon, which could happen very quickly, and also to regain our shuttered capacity for work in fusion. And this will occur, not as an isolated country, this will occur in cooperation with China and other nations that are doing it. And more than anything else, it embodies the common aims of mankind to work as the human species, across the planet, the lift our species to a new, higher platform.

OGDEN:  Directly from that point, that is the Fourth Law in Lyndon LaRouche's four new economic laws, and I think that kind of specificity is exactly what we need to bring to the table right now.  There's a lot of discussion, for example, today there's an editorial by Ray LaHood, the former Transportation Secretary, where he's talking about how we need an infrastructure bank; obviously bank has talked about $1 trillion for infrastructure; Sen. Chris Murphy has an editorial today calling for a new Marshall Plan for the Middle East.  These are things that obviously sound positive in their broad sketch.  But it's the kind of specificity of principle which we need to put on the agenda, which is exactly what you're saying:  That's Number Four, and we've discussed you need to invert these Four Laws and begin from Number Four.  That's your mission-orientation.

But in order to make that happen, we need an increase, a dramatic increase, in the skills, education, and productivity of our labor-force, to make that happen, the way that Franklin Roosevelt created the kind of skilled labor force that was able to then build the John F. Kennedy space program:  I guarantee you, the space program under Kennedy would not have been possible without what Franklin Roosevelt did.  That's Number Three:  Mr. LaRouche says, we need Federal credit that's directed towards increasing the skills and productivity of that labor force; Number Two of the economic laws is you need a National Banking system under which you can do that sort of thing.  The Constitutional ability of the Federal government to use Federal credit, directly for the increasing of the General Welfare, skills, productivity, jobs, that kind of infrastructure, you need a Hamiltonian program to make that happen!  That's Number Two of the Four Laws.  And then Number One of the Four Laws is, you need Glass-Steagall.  You cannot implement any of these programs, you will not be able to return to the Hamiltonian economic system if you do not reestablish Glass-Steagall and erect an immediate firewall between us and the very real possibility of the total meltdown of the trans-Atlantic financial system, possibly even before the inauguration of the new administration.  We see Monte dei Paschi, we see Deutsche Bank, this has got to happen now.

But if you look at these Four Laws, invert it from Number Four: Fusion and a space program, we have a special responsibility to be very specific in terms of program and principle, in the coming days, as we have a countdown to the new Presidency.

CHRISTIE:  Absolutely, and the other things this reminds me that Helga Zepp-LaRouche had just raised with us, is Lyn's Four Laws are a kind of a distillation of an entire life committed to his breakthrough economics, which he's written voluminously, probably the most voluminously of anybody alive, in terms of his writing.  And that's an important point, because while on the one hand, you may see the world as moving with many of the ideas and projects and so forth that Mr. LaRouche, his associates, our movement have fought for; but at the core of that, and the people that move with those kinds of policies, it was not just simply an excitement around the programs per se, although there is that; but it was an excitement around Lyn's fundamental breakthroughs in economic science.  I mean, how many languages has So, You Wish To Learn All about Economics? been translated into?  I don't even know how many it is.

And to me the number of academic circles, government circles, around the world that have studied LaRouche's ideas in economics, to me, it's not surprising that you take somebody like Sergei Glazyev who is playing an instrument role in the coordination of the Eurasian Economic Union (EAEU) with the New Silk Road, that is an integration that both Putin and Xi Jinping have said they're extremely committed to, but this is somebody who studies Mr. LaRouche's economics and brought LaRouche into the Russian Duma in the early 2000s.

So as Matt was saying in terms of the distillation of Lyn's Four Laws, but also on this principled notion, because once people get a sense of what the breakthrough on the discovery of an actual idea, then the program and policies will flow from that.  But I think it's important to reflect on Lyn's role in defining these ideas which have shaped the outflow of the policy.

SARE:  Also the collaboration, clearly in the space program and fusion is one of the most elevated ways to bring our nations together, particularly with Russia and China, who are doing advanced work in this domain; to do that we have to dispense with all of this disgusting propaganda in the United States.  I mean, we claim that we're shutting down "fake news."  And we have the fake news stories of the century coming out of our so-called mainstream media, starting with that Hillary Clinton was supposedly going to win the election.  And just for example, we have this recent story that Russia was hacking into the Vermont energy grid.  And then they go and investigate, and Obama gets involved in this and says he has two documentations that this is the case.  So one of these great documents is the list of 584, or 854 — I don't know — servers, almost of all of which are in the United States and then there are some that are supposedly in China, except it's likely that they're mirrors of American sites; not one based out of Russia.  And then also I think it was said that the issue was malware someone's personal computer.

So here you have this hysterical coverage designed to make Americans hysterical and there's nothing to it:  it is a complete lie.  And President-elect Trump, it was interesting what he said; he said, well, charges of Russian hacking, these are very serious charges, so I don't think we should rush into this.  If that's the case, then I would like to see proof that it's the case, and so far no one's come forth with any.  And President-elect Trump said:  I'm reminded of the charges of weapons of mass destruction which were the pretext for the invasion of Iraq — they didn't exist.

And will remind our views, that between the election and the Electoral College vote, that a group of Congressmen had requested a classified briefing on the alleged evidence of Russian hacking, which then never was delivered. So for all the evidence they allegedly had, they have not even been willing to present it to the lawmakers of the United States.

But it's clear — because what is the power of this relationship?  If you think of the power of a potential U.S.-China-Russia collaboration, what does that mean for global terrorism?  What does that mean for the global drug trade?

And what does it mean for mankind to be elevated out of this Zeusian bestial mode, where a tiny minority of the population controls everything, and the rest are to be kept stupid.  But instead a potential flowering, a real Renaissance of human creativity — maybe the next Beethoven will emerge from somewhere in South America or — you know!  That's the great potential.

So clearly, there's a wailing gasp of a dying empire trying, since they really have no strength, because their system is completely bankrupt, and trillions of euros and dollars of bailouts is not going to save it; so now they're resorting to psychological warfare, to just see if they can confuse people, scare people, whatever they can do in their last moments of existence.

Michael STEGER:  You just see the difference, the question of the real potential that exists out there, there's a panic, there's a panic from our enemy.  And the real underlying panic is that Lyn's policies are shaping this process.  And one of the things, Megan and Kesha both raised the space program:  One of the things that Lyn had really recognized in his collaboration with Krafft Ehricke on the space program, was that it wasn't simply about putting human beings on other planets; there was a different quality there.  And one of the things that Lyn really emphasizes in his work in 1986, which is also something you see in emphasis today from China's program, which is the far side of the Moon.  Now, Lyn doesn't put emphasis specifically on that, but because of what it represents, that it gives mankind a different access to the Universe itself.  And that what we begin to look at is then a kind of discovery process about fundamental truth that mankind is still yet perplexed by: The nature of life. The nature of a creative process in the Universe, at a Galactic level.

There are such huge questions, there are such big principles that most people would say it was some kind of philosophical academic exercise.  But what they don't recognize is that Lyn's economics demonstrates so well that those levels of discoveries, as we saw with Einstein, and as Matt said, the Manhattan Project, these kinds of discoveries, this kind of ability to perceive aspects of the Universe never yet perceived by mankind, enable mankind to make discoveries that transform our ability to function as a species and as a unique characteristic in the Universe.

And this is what has got this enemy — they don't know that. Our enemy doesn't know that that's what's terrifying them. That's the fun part.  They just know they're losing. They're losing grasp on mankind.

But what is emerging is a real quality of mankind that's defined by this kind of characteristic, and why the space program's become such a — I mean, if this new administration in the first hundred days can launch that quality of drive, launch of that quality of inspiration and mobilization of our best scientists, our best engineers.  As Ronald Reagan said with the SDI announcement, on March 23, 1983, that can spark a quality of reconstruction of our nation and our civilization that could be something that mankind's never seen before.

And this fake news is so Orwellian in every aspect, that they believe their own Orwellian lies.  The question for us is, are we going to demonstrate real humanity?

BEETS:  Well, Michael, I think what you're referencing about the affinity of Krafft Ehricke and Lyndon LaRouche's outlook on the space program, there are very similar ideas expressed by both in their writings, which is that man's progress into the Solar System, in doing that, not only does man transform the Moon, to begin with, but in that process mankind itself is transformed, and that really is the unique relationship that man's mind has to the Universe; we are co-creators.

We are a necessary species, and when we make the kind of breakthroughs that allow us to begin, for example, to colonize and industrialize the Moon, we're rewarded, in a certain sense you could say: Those discoveries allow us to become a new kind of species with powers we didn't have before.  For example, the power of nuclear fusion, there's great potential ongoing right now on Earth, but the breakthrough in the potential of nuclear fusion  really will be realized when we venture out into the Solar System.  And it is this beautiful self-developing relationship, creative relationship of the Universe that we are an essential part.

And Michael, I think you're right that the empire doesn't get that; doesn't understand it — they know they hate it — but it's a much higher power than they are.

STEGER:  It's hard not to say that we're at a "Shelley moment."  When you see this process, it's hard for people to deny it.  I'm trying to think of a recent example.  You have these uncanny expressions of people that you didn't think would move. Or, even some of Fox News interviewing Julian Assange, or moving with Russia, I mean some of these things may be a minuscule example, but it's so paradoxical how people who were pushing a Bush-Cheney war regime for eight years, incessantly, are now basically disrupting the world war agenda between the U.S. and Russia.  There's just a factor of something that they can't deny or abjure.  It's capturing a certain quality in people.  And I think the real question is how do we take advantage of that?

SARE:  And that is what we saw in these messages, at least the ones that I either had translated or were in English [on YouTube responding to the Schiller Chorus singing the Russian National Anthem outside the New York Consulate], was people just the overwhelming desire to have a brotherhood of mankind, and from people to people.  Everybody was just profoundly moved by this.

And you see it everywhere, you know there was a — it's interesting, I think the population is really hungry for beauty, and particularly choral music, because it is not a solo, it's choral:  Every voice is important, every voice is unique, the contributions to the whole come from the differences in a sense — not that you want arbitrary differences.  But you know, it's an extraordinary phenomenon, and we saw this, just in a glimmer, in Boston: The Schiller Institute there had a Musikabend a couple nights ago; and for various reasons did not do a typical job in terms of organizing for it to get the word out.  And to the surprise of the choral director there, the people just kept coming up the elevator in the library until the hall was completely packed — with families! With children!  I mean it was just really quite something.  And I think it is indicative of the potential.

And again, it is really urgent, when President Clinton organized the Oslo Accords with Rabin and Arafat and you had an agreement between them which had great potential.  And Mr. LaRouche said, this is important, it's a breakthrough, but what many people are not aware of is that that agreement had enormous physical development projects that were part of it, emphatically mostly dealing with water — water management, irrigation, which you can't do anything without water; it was a key aspect of this. And Mr. LaRouche said:  If this is not begun immediately, if you don't get shovels in the ground right away, if the funding of this is turned over to the International Monetary Fund, then it's going to be washed away in blood.

And sure enough, the IMF was handed the responsibility for funding it; Rabin was assassinated, and the thing was destroyed.

So you had a potential.  I think the situation we're in right now somewhat less fragile because Russia and China are so big; but the United States, Michael what you were saying earlier about a chance for Americans, we have a chance; it could be squandered.  And it must not be, and for us not to lose it, we have to do the actual things that will transform the standard of living for the people of this United States by putting ourselves into the Belt and Road perspective, becoming part of mankind's development on the planet, and emphatically living our own downtrodden population into a new domain, that emphatically has to be part of that.  That means Glass-Steagall, it means the Four Laws, and what are implications of that.  As you said, if we're going to go to space, if we're going to have fusion, well, obviously, our children should not be homeless; it's hard to concentrate in school if you don't know where your next meal is coming from or you don't know where you're sleeping; if you're going to work on science, you have to be able to get to the laboratory, so if there's no national rail grid, the roads are full of potholes, the bridges are washed out... In other words what you will see by starting from the top is that that will create an ordering principle for all of these other layers of development that have to be implemented, for us to get there.

And I think it is very urgent:  Today is January 2nd. Congress is getting sworn in.  They're back tomorrow.  That we hit the ground running, don't pause for a minute, don't "wait to see" what the new administration is going to do, we can't afford that. We have to get the program out there, and demand that it happen.

OGDEN:  Yeah, we have an 18 day countdown now: That's less than three weeks.  It's two weeks from this Friday.  And yeah, Congress is back in session tomorrow. We don't know what to expect, but the new Congress is being sworn in.  What we initiated at the end of last week was a national mobilization around the implementation of Glass-Steagall.  This is not what we've done before; this is not "support building"; this is not getting people to sign a petition, this is nothing like that.

This is we have to ram this thing through and set the agenda from Day One.  There's Democrats who realize that their party was destroyed, that touting the Obama-Hillary line for four years and saying "we're going to subordinate all of our principles to party unity, and to getting Hillary Clinton elected," completely destroyed the Democratic Party.  And Marcy Kaptur, who was the prime sponsor of the Glass-Steagall legislation in the House of Representatives wrote an editorial, said, "now is the time for some major soul searching by the Democratic Party," and the best people are beginning to recognize that they sold their constituency out!  They sold out the American people, to become the new party of Wall Street!

And so if the Democratic Party wants the chance to become relevant again to world history, this is what they're going to mobilize around; if they want Franklin Roosevelt to stop rolling in his grave in shame of what his party has become, this is what they're going to mobilize around.  And you've got an entire, new Republican Party, which is definitely not the party of George Bush any more.  This is not the party of what it had been before, and this is a party that must be responsive to the formerly skilled, hopefully future skilled working class, the so-called fly-over population — what we must no longer call the rust belt.  This is what we were talking about with Bill a little bit on Friday.

ROBERTS: Yeah, that's the point. There is a brief moment of opportunity where if this new administration does not start to get some improved conditions of life for people, it could be a disaster.  So we all have to do a lot to move very quickly and just set the agenda.  Don't look for what the discussion is, don't speculate.  Clearly, what we've laid out there, is we've got the perspective in terms of the real long arc, the entire conception of how economic platforms have to come into existence, the fusion energy program, what are physical principles that we're going to make part of human activity, those are the things that have to define these steps to bring people into the new paradigm in the United States.

OGDEN:  OK! Well, with that said, Happy New Year.  We've got a lot of work to do. We're going to be in touch over the coming days.  We're working on an updated programmatic pamphlet for what the United States must concretely do to enter this new paradigm, and I think as Helga LaRouche put it, clearly, there's good grounds for optimism in 2017, but we have a lot of responsibility, a special responsibility to bring that new paradigm into existence, and to consolidate this new "win-win" cooperation among nations.

So please stay tuned to, and we will talk to you soon.



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