LPAC Policy Committee, September 28, 2015
Join us at 1PM eastern for a live discussion with Mr. LaRouche and the LPAC Policy Committee. As we emphasize in today's lead, War or Peace Is On the Line In Manhattan Today—much is at stake as Obama, Xi Jinping and Putin speak at the United Nations General Assembly. What can we expect? Can there be peace with Obama in the White House? Tune in live at 1PM for our discussion.
MATTHEW OGDEN: Good afternoon, it's September 28th, 2015; my name is Matthew Ogden. And you're joining us for the weekly discussion with the LaRouche PAC Policy Committee. Joining us over Google video today, we have our Policy Committee members from around the country: I'd like to begin by introducing Dave Christie, from Seattle, Washington; Diane Sare, who is currently in the New York area, because she's been attending the events surrounding the United Nations General Assembly meetings which are happening right now; Kesha Rogers, from Houston, Texas; Michael Steger from San Francisco, California, who of course had a successful event with former Sen. Mike Gravel, this weekend; Rachel Brinkley from Boston, Massachusetts; and then here in the studio you'll see that I'm joined by two members of the LaRouche PAC scientific team, Benjamin Deniston and Megan Beets, and also, Mr. Lyndon LaRouche. So, Lyn, I'm going to let you I'm going to let you begin.
LYNDON LAROUCHE: I can say that the developments of this past week, and coming on still, are really exemplary of something. We're not quite sure what they're exemplary of, but they do know that it involves Putin. And Putin is actually the keystone, right now, he's the keystone of the future of mankind, and on his operation, the future's going to be there. China, of course, is a big factor in this, and some other people, known to me personally, are also key people in this operation. And that will be a little bit of a surprise to most people, because we'll hold that back for a couple of weeks, or a week or so.
So, therefore, we are actually in a unique situation. We are placed in the right place. Our numerically small organization has suddenly become very large, in many implications, including the fun department, the musical fun department, and things like that, which is what has to go with a thing like this. And we have a lot of fun with Manhattan, and Manhattan, of course, is the place where the creation of our organization started.
OGDEN: Right. Now that you mentioned Manhattan, and the current events of the United Nations General Assembly, already this morning we've heard from both President Xi Jinping and President Vladimir Putin. They've both made their addresses at the beginning of the UN General Assembly meetings. As you said, I think a lot is hinging around what President Putin is doing. This is, of course, his first address to the United Nations in ten years.
Obama has agreed to sit down and meet with him, but Putin's emphasis in his speech in his speech was, number one, to reaffirm the founding principles of the United Nations originally, which, of course, came out of Franklin Roosevelt. Number two, he called for a broad-based coalition of nations to defeat ISIS, and everything that is implied by that, including the use of irregular warfare as proxies by nations to impose their will on areas. But he called for a coalition of nations in the image of the coalition of nations to defeat Hitler, which, of course, provided the basis for the birth of the United Nations.
Also, he said, "We are moving forward with the integration of the Eurasian Economic Union and the New Silk Road in China," and he announced that on the podium there at the United Nations, and said, "This should serve as the image for the peaceful cooperation of countries around the world."
So right before he had spoken, Xi Jinping also said something very similar about the harmonization of nations in the common goals and the common aims of mankind, and again reiterated his call for a new paradigm of "win-win cooperation." So already this has been a very eventful Monday morning.
LAROUCHE: I think there will be some more eventful developments coming out very soon. Of course, the destiny of Obama is also among the mysteries, which have to be resolved now, because this is a change. It's a fundamental change in policy. And, actually, we as ourselves, because most people don't know what has happened here; we, a smaller group of people know, internationally, as well as in the United States, this group that we represent, has a lot of knowledge about these matters, and I can assure you that there will be much more attention to those relationships very soon.
DAVE CHRISTIE: May I just add one thing, Matt, concerning what Putin went through, which I think is important, and actually goes to what Lyn just said on the Obama question. The other thing that Putin called out was the export of so-called democratic revolutions, the so-called color revolutions that we've seen sweep the planet, and leave chaos in its wake, as part of these proxies that Matt referenced. But he said that this is dangerous and can lead to the collapse of the entire architecture of international relations; and says that it will create, where there's a loss of rules, other than the rules of force. And then Putin went on to say that it leads to where you get rule through dictate, rather than equality. So I think perhaps the Hitler moustache on Obama rings clear in that statement.
DIANE SARE: Speaking of that, I can say a little bit about this morning, because I just came back from Manhattan, where we have a large rally set up. We actually are on both sides of 42nd Street, where many of the motorcades have to come through. So we're very, very highly visible. We have a tall banner which says, "Obama, Help World Peace, Resign.
Just to give people a sense, there are 39 heads of state speaking today, so the place is completely bustling; it's jam-packed. We had the good sense to leave very early to begin to get set up, because of impending traffic, and so on. So our first team was there when President Obama's motorcade passed through, and they could see very clearly the poster, which has Obama's face inside a nuclear mushroom cloud, which says, "Impeach Obama." Then the Prime Minister of Britain, David Cameron, had to actually walk by our literature table, where he was greeted with the signs, "Putin Is Right, Obama Is Wrong," a picture of Obama with the Hitler moustache, and then as he was walking by, one of our organizers got within three feet of him, and called out, "Hey, where's your pig?" He kind of smiled. I'm not sure he quite knew exactly what hit him.
We've been, I think, interviewed by news media from at least six different countries, including Russia, Egypt and Ecuador. We have sold a number of the climate change reports to delegations who want this material. And these are all very high level, because speakers are the heads of state, I think because it is the 70th anniversary of the United Nations, many nations, most nations, actually are being represented by the head of state or head of government. So the delegations are extremely high level.
And also people become jubilant when they see what we're doing out there, and they know what they are doing, and they know what Putin has been doing. For example, the Egyptian journalist said, "Well, you know, Putin really saved his country, and in Egypt, we're very proud of what we're doing, and we really like our collaboration with Russia." And there's a group of Russian-Americans, who were very happy to come out and join our demonstration and bring their flags; so we have the American flag and the Russian flag side-by-side. And then we have flags of the other BRICS nations.
As of this morning, it was maybe ten people or so on each side of the street, but we're expecting a significant number of the New York activists to be present. So we'll have 30 to 40-plus people, and we'll be in this thoroughfare throughout the day. And we're just getting an extremely interesting, extremely open response.
MICHAEL STEGER: I can add to just the general picture then. Besides having the event with former, retired Senator Mike Gravel on Saturday, which was very useful, we attended Prime Minister Modi's speech last night in San Jose, with about 18,000 people from the Indian-American community. The welcoming reception for us, being involved in this, was somewhat remarkable. But then, the Prime Minister's speech, and what he took as an approach, he had discussions throughout the last couple of days with the same people that Xi Jinping spoke with, the head of Microsoft, of Facebook, of Google and these Internet companies.
Everyone expected him, and they were even told to expect, that he would give you an idea of what he talked with them about. And if that's true, then it's even more interesting. But what he did speak about, was India's fight for Independence from the British Empire, India's fight for development among the poor, India's participation in the BRICS, India's involvement in space exploration, and a rallying call for a remembrance of the people who fought for India's Independence, and almost implying that that responsibility lies, not just with the people of India, but the people who are from India, the Indian community globally, and a global mission to rid ourselves of this empire policy. It was a very strong and powerful strategic intervention with 18,000 people last night, and people were very struck by the whole question.
And so you really do see a concerted effort between Modi, Xi Jinping, and Putin, on this question right now, inside the United States, with the American people, around where the world must, and can, go at this point in history. It was a very special event.
LAROUCHE: I should say so! Quite so.
We have some responsibilities now in this matter. There are some things I won't mention, which are important things, but they're not ready to be mentioned, shall we say. But more is going to bring more clearly when I present that, which will be later; indicate exactly what the world, as a whole, when taken as a whole, will represent, and does represent, implicitly already. This is a revolution. There's a matter of risk in it; there are elements of risk in it. But! If you look at the thing the way I see it, from my personal viewpoint, we're on the edge of something very, very big, and very, very important for all of mankind. This is an opening, the like of which has never occurred before. So begin to enjoy it.
KESHA ROGERS: Speaking of a revolution and exciting developments for the prospect of where mankind is going, and the future of mankind; I don't know exactly the full implications of it, but given everything that's going on, the fight with China, with the space mission, what we've seen in terms of Modi standing up, Prime Minister Modi against the green climate change agenda; having the announcement made today by NASA on its continued findings of potential life-form and water on Mars, really, I think, shouldn't be looked at as an isolated phenomenon, or event.
That this is something that's showing that what we're about to embark on right now, and the potential. especially when you're looking at the stupidity of the green environmentalist policy, the green population reduction agenda, saying that we have to be focused on cutting carbon emissions, when we have the potential to deal with the water crisis right here on Earth, that we're finding the potential of water on Mars. And one of the funny things is that, I was watching, on the way back to participate in this discussion, watching that press conference and one of the questions that was asked to the NASA representatives is, "Now that you have potentially found this water, what are you going to do with it?" And he said, "Drink it!" [laughter]
So, let's drink.
OGDEN: Do you know anything more about that, Ben?
BENJAMIN DENISTON: No. I haven't seen the details yet. I think maybe we could send Jerry Brown on a one-way mission to go investigate the water of Mars and leave him there. See how that goes.
LAROUCHE: He might like that, because he's a bitter man. And therefore, he can sit there in his bitterness, on Mars, and say, "I'm lord of this planet." How do you get back out of there? That's another question.
No, this is big. For example, the musical event that occurred last evening, I don't know how many people have seen it fully, it was really quite effective. It had all kinds of aspects to it, but it was really a celebration, a celebration of a type we have not seen for a very long time; probably never so far. And you have a bunch of very happy people, singing naturally, the usual song, and that all happened. And some of this was really very rich; all of it was good, but most of it was really rich, and it was really enjoyable fully.
I saw it last night, in a re-post, because it had already been done, and people met with me in the evening and they broadcast the whole thing in front of me, so I got the effect of that. And I knew some of the musicians quite well, and it was good. It was actually a sweet experience. In contrast with what Obama represents, you could get that musical event, and you just present that, and it says, "Obama who?"
Because that's your attitude on it, what're you with this guy for? Let's get him out of there! Let's throw him out now!
OGDEN: Maybe he can take a page out of John Boehner's book, surprise the world by resigning.
LAROUCHE: Yeah, but I think Boehner is actually a genius compared to this guy! [laughter] He knew at least that things were not going very well, and he decided to get out of the racket.
MEGAN BEETS: And this does raise something which you had addressed in your discussion with Manhattan on Saturday, which is that the uniqueness of mankind as a species which can experience and willfully bring about a future condition; and I was just thinking about the effects of the music, the commonality of a principle of beauty and the ability to participate in a way which is above any of the particularities of culture or background or past, in something which is beautiful and truthful. But in your discussion on Saturday, you were addressing this on I think an even higher sense, from the standpoint of human immortality, and what distinguishes the actions of a human being while he or she lives, as opposed to the animal which experiences the passage of time; whereas the true human being can during their life, act in such a way such that the event of their death creates a new opportunity for those which are to come after.
LAROUCHE: Even better is to look at one's own life, and say, how is it going to come out? What are you going to contribute, actually? Not react to, but what are you going to contribute? That's what the important mission is. That's what science is, you know, discovery of new principles. And what we've gone, we've come into a period in which there are no longer any belief in new principles. This was the penalty of the 20th century, which was an absolute disaster for mankind. And now I think we're on the edge, and I have a prescience of being on the edge, that a new way of mankind as a whole, will work in coordination as a whole, will have some things that have to be removed, which should not be repeated as to type and application.
But you have a joyful expression, from the leading nations of the planet, from most of the leading nations of the planet, with some ugly exceptions. And it's all there. If we can complete this operation just in this form and what Putin's role is in this thing, this is one of the most beautiful things that ever happened to mankind. And we can make it true.
But this is really wonderful. And you just take — we had the Italian singer, who was doing Italiano in a proper way. And he was delivering it with gusto, which is what's required for the occasion.
OGDEN: Especially for Italians.
LAROUCHE: And this became the concluding feature of the musical events, which we had in the event last night.
So, that this is something which is unique, it's intrinsically beautiful. It's promising. And it should motivate us to be more optimistic about what we are going to do. And optimistic means you're going to take a responsibility for achieving something that you had never thought you were going to do before.
Well, this is great.
BENJAMIN DENISTON: This is a recording of a Musikabend up in New York, as a part of our Manhattan Project.
LAROUCHE: It was repeated and it was done live yesterday. And then it was broadcast to a few of us later in the night, so I could get it and so forth. But the whole thing was just a beautiful, happy — very, very happy occasion. It was happiness incarnate. And we will get more of that, I'm sure.
Oh, the mood in our people in the Manhattan area in particular, this is really busting out! When you take a limited number of people, in Manhattan, and you talk to them, you work with them, you meet them, you share experiences with them; and if it's done in the right way, which is what I've tried to do in this process, you produce an effect. And the effect is very significant. It was like "Die Hauptsache ist der Effekt, tschike tschike tschike tschik'" [laughter]
But it was beautiful. And the gusto of the Italian singer who did the last, very lusty kind of delivery, prior to the completion of the event; it was also something which was just in the right spirit at the right, in the conclusion of the actual musical performance. And then naturally, you have the ritual of closing the event and it was beautiful. The whole thing was beautiful. I was completely happy about it, even though I was getting it second-hand.
OGDEN: Can we make this video available?
LAROUCHE: Yes, it is. I saw it last night, on our screen.
OGDEN: Yes, I know it's circulating among some people, but for viewers, it would be excellent.
LAROUCHE: Oh, absolutely! I'm sure this thing is fully available to everyone around everywhere.
Rachel BRINKLEY: Well, that's an example of what you brought up this weekend about, you could be small in number but great in potential, and it's a matter of recognizing and exerting that potential. And that that's ironically, what Putin said in this interview with Charlie Rose, totally surprised him; asking him, what's the best part about the American people? And he said, "The creativity, their open-mindedness and ability to respond to new ideas." And that is exactly the quality of leadership that should be the standard in the United States, is what Putin is pointing to, representing and pointing; and also what our Manhattan Project is creating in bringing together. And you're seeing this process of joy out of it, of people being excited, and happy, and never before recognizing that that's something they could do with their life, is this meaningful purpose of doing the right thing for the future.
LAROUCHE: Yes. I have a lot of stories about that, which are true stories, and the true stories of experiences of I've had. For example, the case of the Russian case: At a certain point, I went into Russia. Russia was in a broken-up way at that point; they were trying to pull the pieces back together and during that period, I had a number of experiences. Most experiences were very detailed with leading Russian figures of that time, and I played a certain significant role in that, because I was pulled into doing it. The Russians wanted me to do this, and I did it.
I also had a relationship with Bill Clinton, who was on this issue. In one of my concluding events with respect to Russia's destiny, there was a conference which was held, and it was held for me, in order to get my advice to the Russian leadership at that time, as how we're going to deal with this problem of the Russian economy. And I had a proposal on this thing, which was accepted by them, my proposal; and they said, "Yes, we'll do that." And Bill Clinton who was in office at that point, has a relationship with me, a very subtle one but he did what he had to do, and he did it. But he postponed the follow-up, on what I had proposed for the Russian economy, postponed it because he thought it was premature for him to do it.
But then they had a trap set for him, from the Queen of England and all kinds of evil people, including Republicans. We had a bunch of Republicans who were really Satanic at that point! I don't say that all Republicans are Satanic, but this crowd was! When they get tied with the Queen of England, that Satanic stuff is in the making.
But the point is, is that there is, in Russia, there is a potential which has been there for some time, of how to pass out of what had been the collapse of the Russian economy and to come up with something which would mean something new. And we're getting a reflection of exactly that from Putin's process of development. Now I had very little direct contact with Putin, but I had a lot of contact with other people in Russia during that period; but the reason I didn't have any contact with Putin because there was no opening to do that. I just had this one place where I was going against the enemy, and he was going at the enemy, but we weren't meeting together.
OGDEN: Right, but your efforts were convergent.
LAROUCHE: Yeah. And so, this means that that part of my life is now, "Well, hey boys, we made it!" [laughter]
OGDEN: I mean, that is one thing that he specifically warned about in his speech at the United Nations. He said, what he did to defeat the insurgency, or whatever, the terrorism in Chechnya when he first came into office, which is what you were just referring to. He said, there's thousands and thousands of people which represent overlap between this Chechnya situation and what's going on right now in ISIS; and who hold Russian passports, who are getting on-the-ground combat training in Syria, in Iraq among ISIS, and who can come back into Russia to threaten Russia, just as Europe and the United States are threatened similarly.
So, he said, we all have a common interest in defeating this; but he has a longstanding experience in actually fighting and defeating what is now being represented in the Middle East by this terrorism.
LAROUCHE: He has demonstrated and manifest, the principle of the flank! And it was a majestic piece of the principle of the flank that he pulled off, in the statements which led into this process over — well, say, over the Bush policy; and the Obama policy. Now, these were the two most evil things that have been done by the United States as a government in recent times. And Obama was the worst. He was worse than every piece of evil that existed in the United States prior to that time; the most evil feature, Obama.
And Obama, of course, is not really an American. He never was really an American. He was his father's son, and guess what kind of a son that is? I won't use the term.
OGDEN: Fill in the blank.
LAROUCHE: So that's where we are: We're trying to get rid of this guy, just in the normal course of events, throw him out of office. We don't need him, we don't want him, he shouldn't exist; let him disappear someplace, in memory of his father, so they can snarl at each other in the course of whatever happens after that.
Anyway, but this is something which I've experienced, and I know exactly what this is like. I've lived it, and it's wonderful. I mean, it is really wonderful. I mean the fact, we're on the edge of something, which is implicitly in jeopardy. But this can change the course of mankind, which can happen now.
What is in the process of happening now, if carried forward, will be an achievement, by man which outclasses all history of mankind otherwise, in terms of its magnificent qualities; and we are a part of it.
OGDEN: It's a thing to be relished.
LAROUCHE: Yeah! You should! You should enjoy it. You don't get an opportunity like that opportunity every week! [laughter]
SARE: Well, this is something Americans are really missing. In other words, we've just had such an ugly culture, particularly the last two presidencies, the Cheney-Bush Presidency and now this monstrosity of Obama. And that's what's so refreshing and invigorating about being in Manhattan this week and just being amongst these throngs of people who are so optimistic. Xi Jinping had said, I think in one of this speeches on the West Coast, that China is involved in 600 major projects around the world, and this is almost unimaginable for Americans. It reminds of when Modi came a year ago and we were talking about, he's building 100 new cities, creating a million jobs a month or something like that — just, it's orders of magnitude beyond what anyone here in the United States had thought of.
And I think if Americans begin to get a whiff of this, if they begin to get a memory of the things that our nation did, like Kesha brought up the discovery of water on Mars, at the same time that this is going on. What Kennedy represented, for example, or Franklin Roosevelt, or Lincoln, the greatest presidents; Hamilton who was responsible for George Washington, there's a certain life to this process, which, when Americans begin to get this, the idea of throwing Obama out will be so obvious, they'll say, "well, why didn't we do this six years ago?
Of course he should be gone! Because the question really isn't, how are you going to get him out? What do we have to — , the question really should be: Well why has he even been there this long? This is ridiculous; obviously, he should have been thrown out some time ago, and why not do it, when there is this momentum globally, to actually do something for the good; it's not just to defeat a Satanic evil, but to do something for the good of mankind as a whole, and the billions of people who will inhabit this Earth in the future generations?
LAROUCHE: Well, the one thing you want to put together because of the nature of these events in the United States right now, the United States is not just a nation. There is something inside the United States which is much more than merely a nation, and very few Americans so far, have actually understood that. First of all the creation of the United States, with the roots in the Renaissance, and you've got to go back to the Renaissance in order to locate the origins of the United States. Nicholas of Cusa was merely, actually — to say the word "merely" — was actually a part of a process which developed, and which Nicholas of Cusa actually began to express in his own way, and reinforce this achievement. But the concept had already existed!
And it was from the genesis of that origin, that the birth of the United States as a possibility came into existence. But you have to go through the history of these people, like Kepler, and others, who played a key role in this process. This focused, on the need for a new kind of society, against the European system, against other parts of the world system, and said, this instrument of a government is necessary for all mankind. And there is a quality inside the United States, built into it, often not recognized or identified by the average American, for example, but it exists. And if you understand the history, as I've had a passionate insight into what history really means, no, this is real history.
And therefore, what follows from that is not the effects of what Americans have done, as such; it's the question of what has been done on their behalf, by what would be for most people, a mysterious sources. Because that's what the United States really must represent, even though the behavior of Americans is not really very intelligent for most of the time, really. But inside the creation of the United States, as from Kepler, for example, what's Kepler? Kepler's just a scientist? No! He's not! He's one of the persons who defined, what the Solar System means! He defined the meaning of the Solar System; he defined the meaning of the relationship of mankind, to other parts of the universe.
And it was this kind of thing, the roots of this, which made the existence of the United States possible. It would not have meant anything otherwise, except in that way. And we have to understand that.
And therefore, we're assembling in Manhattan and around there. What does that mean? Well, most people don't know anything about it. They feel the presence of it, but they don't know the meaning of it. And what I've been seeing in this period is this sense of the justification of the existence of the United States, which most Americans don't understand. But I think the time has come, we ought to give them a little more information about this great mystery, of the creation of the United States.
DENISTON: That's been a key element of your focus on Manhattan, is Hamilton, Hamilton's legacy, and keeping that as a living spirit of the United States, reawakening that and bringing that forth in the Manhattan area.
LAROUCHE: Always, there is a root, in all things that grow. And the important thing about those things, is not only that they do grow, and grow abundantly even, or modestly even, but they lead to something, which is more important.
Because the idea, — you know, I say this repeatedly, but the question of what's the meaning of mankind? And the meaning of mankind is the creative powers of mankind. And it's unique, because only mankind is the only living species we know of, who has this ability, who has this quality, the creative powers of the human mind. But the important thing which is often lost, is what's the mystery? Well, the mystery is that, people die, yeah. But that's not the point. They also have progeny, or they develop progeny, and the progeny improve, or the intention is that the progeny must improve, as the United States in its own funny way, progressed, and brought an effect on the planet as a whole, which improved the planet as a whole, or created the roots for that.
People lose that because they don't identify it; and I've been emphasizing handily, you've got to look at that point. If you want to understand this, you've got to say, "what is the meaning of human life, as opposed to anything except human life?" And that is that mankind is a creative force. A creative force which changes the universe, and will change the universe; and therefore, we in the United States, have captured an aspect of that destiny of man, as a creative force within the Solar System, and more.
And that's what we should be celebrating. We should be bringing our own people more and more, into an understanding of the meaning of life. Because you have to take the meaning of life and say, "it's not the meaning of death; it's something that goes with death, but also it means the progress of mankind in the process of death; death grows. But in the right process, mankind is developing. Because in each generation that is progressive, relative to the older generations, there's a process that's going on. And the process is what we call "human creativity."
And this is the time, in this circumstances of these days, presently, this is the time to think in those terms.
MICHAEL STEGER: Now, Lyn, the way you captured this process that we're now experiencing on a global scale, it brought to my mind, Kepler has a reference in his final world on the Harmonies, where he says, when he finally grasps the content and the nature of his own discovery, and he says, "I wrote the book, I got it; it stuns me, it shocks me, but it's profound and it's true and I don't care if anyone else discovers this for 500 years, it's there; it's true, it's a discovery of the universe." And there was a kind of an emotional expression there, that Kepler could almost foresee the kind of political process that's now shaping on the planet. And it only seems to present an even greater challenge towards our galaxy. But that emotional expression was always somewhat remarkable and it seems similar to how you're capturing today.
LAROUCHE: Yeah. Precisely. Well, if you care about human life, what else do you have? It's the only thing that's important about mankind, is what mankind is uniquely capable of doing in terms of our knowledge of the Solar System and beyond. That's the mission. It's not some ambition or something, but the idea is you must have each generation of mankind should, if at all possible, should progress to a higher level of productivity, of intellectual productivity, creativity, and that's the purpose of mankind.
And what we see as evil, is nothing but just that: Wall Street, for example, is evil, it's intrinsically evil. It always was intrinsically evil. Why? Because it's a completely destructive force. It's chewing up things, destroying things, eating things, destroying planets, destroying people!
And we've now come to a very interesting period of life, and of our history: We have a global development, is gripping us now. We have not caught up with it, but it will grip us, as it's gripping us now.
CHRISTIE: Well, I think the contrast is just so stark: You see this response by Obama. Here's this call for the defeat of ISIS, the call for bringing nations together, and his response is to warn Russia on Ukraine, and similarly call for the removal of Assad, which you know, you just put it in the context of — you know, you look at the Putin [60 Minutes] interview, where he references American "creativity"; you look at Xi Jinping's comments in Seattle, where he talks about being rooted in Hamilton and George Washington. You see Modi with his discussion of the fight around the British Empire, the looking to the stars, and then, all of that as an idea. And people just look at this Obama thing and say, "what the hell is that?" And I think that's kind of where we're at, where it just should be seen as an impediment, and it should be seen that much of what has been referenced by these great leaders is implicitly American! As American rooted as an outgrowth of the Renaissance; that was what these best thinkers from Benjamin Franklin on, were rooted in that outlook, and that's actually what has the potential to blossom, and what we're seeing blossoming with this leadership of these other nations.
LAROUCHE: I think there's one thing that we do have record of as an organization: We do know what the relationship is, of Obama, President Obama and his stepfather. The history is well known; the history of the mother's role in this operation, of his mother's role. The sobriquets and so forth, of the experience of the father, and the son, and mother; the mother was of the least importance there; the father was an ogre, a real ogre, a man-eater, a destroyer, a killer. And Obama was trained by his father, or his stepfather. And the stepfather produced a monster, a criminal in the extreme, a man whose very existence is criminality, the expression of criminality and nothing else. He is pure evil and nothing else!
And because of his influence, he's a big evil, which must be removed from society, remove him from power; put him into obloquy. Just get rid of him, put him out of the way. Put him in a corner some place, let him rot in his own way.
And the problem is, the people of the United States, too many of them, have capitulated by losing their own soul, by supporting Obama. Any American who supports Obama has lost his soul, guaranteed!
And this is the issue. That we have a force of a Satanic force, which has a very important role in terms of the planet as a whole, it's called "Obama." Obama is really nothing except a force of evil. He was trained in evil by his stepfather, and that's the history of the thing! And if you don't see Obama in that, if you see Obama as containing, something different than that, then you're a fool! Because this man is Satanic. And he's expressed this in every possible way, a Satanic force. And that's what we're up against.
But, the planet somehow, the world in general seems to be in a mood to get rid of this force of evil. We're going to see what happens this week. The thing is live now, this man is going to show his Satanic characteristics, very soon this week.
Well, we've got that done, we've got a lot of good things to go with! [laughter] Once we've made this clear, now we can go at the great things, like I have a memory form the recitation of this thing, from this singer, you know, very capable singer; and he performed some Italian repertoires. And he was very enthusiastic. He captivated the audience in that performance that he went through. And that was sort of the concluding part of the presentation or the performances, and then there was the chorus that was done afterward. And this was a very nice thing! It was a very good thing.
And that's the good part. Now, how do we get the good part, which we know about now, since we've had the experience with this event, how do we get rid of the rubbish? Throw out the rubbish?
ROGERS: Yes, it was quite beautiful. And I think it culminated in the process of the discussion of your Thursday Fireside Chat to the discussion on Saturday, of people participating in a process that truly made them understand what it means to be human, and what they're fighting for, and the identity that they're fighting for; and this came out in the expressions of the beauty of the music that was put forward. Because it's not just about "this is nice music," which a lot of people have this conception of. And the fact that we're making a scientific, revolutionary breakthrough in the insistence of the C=256, as a primary focus, and I thought that was good that everybody — those who were associating with the organization and those who had just come in, made it their prerogative that this has to be the mission, which has to be the true tuning of musical composition, in line with the orderings of our Solar System.
But I think that it was a process, and people participating in this true identity of unifying mankind around a real sense of agapë, for the whole of mankind; you know, participating in, the coming to better understand and better participate as a whole, as a mankind in a perfect love, what brings us, what unites us together, as human beings? And the music is one example of how that really works.
LAROUCHE: Yes! It's true. I just have the image of this person who was singing the Italian lyrics ["La Donna È Mobile"], and at the conclusion of the particular things there, and he was such a rollicking, good spirited person. But he was typically Italian; a perfectly Italian person.
ROGERS: That was fun!
LAROUCHE: It was great! Those of you who saw it or heard it, would get that. But it was absolutely a wonderful conclusion, to the whole event. And then, of course, the intervention, the closing interventions [Verdi's "Chorus of the Hebrew Slaves"] occurred, and everybody was happy.
But I think we have to shift. We've been processing that course of action, and I think we now have to refresh ourselves and understanding more deeply what it is we really tangled with. I think we got a chance to change the destiny of mankind from what it had been up until recent points. But you have to capture the principle that your dealing with; if you don't capture the principle, you don't know how to use it. And that's been the problem. Mankind has often had desires, to do good things, but they haven't recognized how to use it: Creativity.
And you know, mathematics has been one of the most Satanic influences, effectively a Satanic influence, as I know of: mathematics. Mathematics is a crime against mankind. We have better methods to deal with that situation. If you cannot achieve, as a human being, if you cannot achieve a breakthrough into a greater power, of human creativity than you've experienced before, if you can't do that, you have failed as a human being. You may be useful, you may be tolerated, you may be forgiven; but unless you have a real sense of what human creativity actually is, what it means, that is, the responsibility that if you know something, develop something, and you have not developed it beyond what it was, to a higher level, you have failed as a human being. You will be forgiven for your failures, but, you will not be praised.
OGDEN: Okay, I think I'm going to take that as the final word. So, as you indicated, Lyn, there's a lot to anticipate in the near future, known and unknown. So we'll be looking forward to that. And Diane, we wish you all the best later today, in Manhattan. Have a lot of fun. And we'll be speaking with you soon.
So please stay tuned to larouchepac.com. Goodbye.